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WHAT I WROTE 10 YEARS AGO ABOUT TAXING THE RICH

# 1. 4/26/12 6:54 AM by Rick G. - Spencerport, NY
I have to wonder if Ron Paul is looking a little less like the crazy uncle to more people these days.

Editor's Note: he's wrong on israel, he's mostly wrong on the military, and he's mostly wrong about the federal reserve. but beyond that, he's pretty good with me. i don't think he should be president, but i do think he should be in the room.


# 2. 4/26/12 7:23 AM
Holy !*&!@, Antonio Perez is still the CEO of Kodak!!!


# 3. 4/26/12 7:26 AM by tw - Rochester
Of course the rich are going to pay more - they make more. It is arithmetic. The key is to make sure everyone pays the same percentage of income. Period. It's really quite simple.

There's no reason someone who makes a million dollars should pay a smaller percentage of tax on their income than someone who makes $50K. None.

So go ahead Bob, tell 1/2 the story about who pays the most taxes. Spout some idiocy about total tax paid. But don't forget about fairness, and the capitalist idea that everyone is the same, and should pay the same percent. Nobody should benefit from the tax code more than the next guy, and that is exactly what is happening now.

Editor's Note: what an ash wipe. that's exactly what the column says. if a rich guy should pay 35% of his income, so should a poor guy. now, the poor guy pays 0% of his income. that's not fair. that's theft and socialism. it's also the democratic platform, imam.


# 4. 4/26/12 7:29 AM by Gary M - Hornell NY, USA
If everyone was sharing the burden and paying at least some taxes, then the pols wouldn't ever dare talk about raising them.

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. JFK


# 5. 4/26/12 7:37 AM by Jodi - Wayne County East
Bob, this is exactly what happens when your parents or your government decides to be your friend your caretaker and not a responsible leader.

People get spoiled, lazy then entitled.

Then eventual if the money runs out they turn on you in their greed and their lust without any sense of responsibility or conscience.

People typically behave the way they are raised and unfortunately for the U.S.A. our day of reckoning may be a lot sooner than many of us want to believe.

Do you know Jesus?

Are you rapture ready?


# 6. 4/26/12 7:58 AM by Rick C. - Rochester,NY 14610
thumbsdown.gif I think Robin Hood had it right. FUMR


# 7. 4/26/12 8:12 AM by NascarDad - Richmond, VA
Bob, I sort of agree but also disagree.

Most of those 47% do pay payroll tax for social security, medicare, etc.

And the truth, the elephant in the room for decades, is that money is just general fund money, and there is absolutely no actual trust fund other than IOUs payable by us, or by borrowing.

So essentially that payroll tax is no different than income tax. To call it a payroll tax versus an income tax is a distinction without a true difference.

What needs to happen is tax reform. Get rid of the regressive and job unfriendly Social Security tax and go to a flat tax rate.

I would even be ok with a flat-er tax rate, so long as , to borrow a phrase from the President, "we all have skin in the game".


# 8. 4/26/12 8:28 AM by Christopher - Newport News, VA
With our progressive federal income tax system now, the lower 47% of income earners pay no federal tax at all. Zero % and zero dollars. They have no skin in the game. This gives them a strong incentive to support higher taxes on the higher income earners because it will have no adverse affect on them. Is it any wonder that the liberal dems promote this? This is their voting base.


# 9. 4/26/12 8:30 AM by Poplar Beach
In some part I agree with you Bob, but Income Tax is just one tax. Everyone pays FICA, sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, taxes on utilities, etc. etc. Home owners and land owners pay property taxes, here in NY these taxes are often more than the mortgage. Even the poor pay a lot of taxes through the lottery!

I am a Fair Tax (national sales tax) guy, but in reality, the tax argument means nothing, unless we also talk about government reducing spending.

The reason I bitch about the taxes I pay is because I see how much of this money is wasted, scammed, pretty much thrown down the drain.

The recent GSA scandal is just the tip of the iceberg, but is a great example!

My business requires me to deal with several federal, state and county agencies. The waste I observe is unbelievable. If I was running one of these agencies like I do my business I could cut expenses by at the very least by 25% and not reduce services 1%.

I love this country, but the larger the government becomes the more out of touch with me they seem and until those running the show can demonstrate some true leadership and common sense, I will resent every dollar I pay in taxes!


# 10. 4/26/12 8:35 AM by Paul - Fairport
I think the saying about those who rob Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul applies here. Problem is, these are way too many Pauls (Even though that's my name in this context I'm Peter).


# 11. 4/26/12 8:40 AM by Mark - ER
thumbsup.gif Another way to look at this - a small percent of the people MAKE all the money.

I agree that there are too many tax cheats, free loaders, frauds and lazy people living off of others!


# 12. 4/26/12 8:51 AM
thumbsdown.gif What?

The rich pay all the taxes because they make all the money....duh

You flat earth society types need to study more and talk less.

The real problem is the huge government spending on military, schools and excessive government employee salaries, retirement and perks guaranteed by law.

If you want to see the taxing issue improve stop going after the poor and go for the real money......Or stay part of the flat earth society and talking nonsense.


# 13. 4/26/12 8:54 AM by Tobey
It is amazing to think that tax cuts for the wealthy end up being more deficit spending with a slick name.


# 14. 4/26/12 8:55 AM
thumbsdown.gif # 1. 4/26/12 6:54 AM by Rick G. - Spencerport, NY I have to wonder if Ron Paul is looking a little less like the crazy uncle to more people these days.

Editor's Note: he's wrong on israel, he's mostly wrong on the military, and he's mostly wrong about the federal reserve. but beyond that, he's pretty good with me. i don't think he should be president, but i do think he should be in the room.

YOU SHOULD MOVE TO ISRRAEL IF THATS WHERE YOUR ALLEGIANCE LIES.

Also I suspect you don't have a clue what the federal reserve is, who owns it or why Paul wants to audit it.

DUMBASS


# 15. 4/26/12 9:08 AM by kittynana - Lewiston NY
The wealthy have some pretty decent tax cuts, Bob. And what you didn't mention was corporations are considered people. In other words, those 'people' ain't payin' their fair share. You, your readers and I are being sucked dry while the poor get away with getting fat on our sweat, enjoying better medical coverage than we will ever see, and the wealthy, perched high on their Lear thrones, are laughing at us while eating aged strip steaks and drinking Dom Perignon.

As with anything in life, there MUST be a balance or it will all implode.


# 16. 4/26/12 9:09 AM by Jodi - Wayne County East
Taking any more than 30% of a persons income in total combined federal, state, and local government taxes and fees of any sort should be a deemed a felony criminal act.

And the UN wants to institute a global tax.


# 17. 4/26/12 9:11 AM by Sam
Hey, not to worry Middle America, that wealth will be "trickling" down to you any time now.


# 18. 4/26/12 9:13 AM by Larry
It's those damn front line soldiers* pulling in $25k a year who are the problem. They don't pay any tax either.

Thank goodness for those Americans who actually contribute to society like those brave boys on Wall St.


# 19. 4/26/12 9:17 AM
Is there some way to file suit against the government for continuing to take social security money out of our paychecks and give it to other people?

It is the most ridiculous form of dishonesty to take that money out of my paycheck with no intention of ever providing me a benefit with it.


# 20. 4/26/12 9:51 AM by Derp - Rochester
Deer Baub I am liek nummer 6 an say taht all teh rich ppl r EVOL an shoul nawt be allowed too keep they're moniez.

u must be EVOL to hav alla dat STUFF why?! Bcuz u step on teh littel manz an take alla there STUFF. Not hrrd work just !EVOL! bro!!

Or, I'm just jealous and want to take it out on people who worked a hell of a lot harder than me, so I can take the easy way out. You pick.


# 21. 4/26/12 10:12 AM by rob
ron paul is right on and sometimes you will hear Rush or even Glenn B talk about the truth but they have to babyfeed it to the Republicans because you can't handle the truth and who's the a%% wipe? uh huh you


# 22. 4/26/12 10:23 AM by John
Let me repeat, the poor can't pay taxes because they don't have the money. Frederick Douglas had to kiss butt to survive. It was the educated blacks who were more often hung.


# 23. 4/26/12 10:25 AM by liberal
I don't think the rich need defending. That's like those who think they need to defend Jesus. They're the first ones to throw stones. Jesus would say stop throwing stones at the poor.


# 24. 4/26/12 10:29 AM by enuff
Ron Paul is already in the room and he's also racist but doesn't know it and that's why you now like him. He really believes all those things he used to say about people of color. Criminals etc., guess he didn't realize Jesus was a person of color.

Editor's Note: jesus was a gay, black woman, who wished he had been born 2,000 years later so he could work on the obama campaign.


# 25. 4/26/12 10:36 AM by jaymor
thumbsup.gif But Bob,you're advocating major surgery on the Democratic party. The organization is built upon class envy and the premise that it will confiscate and resdistribute wealth in return for votes. The left invokes its version of equality, but it's really about buying political power,


# 26. 4/26/12 10:51 AM by birdie
if a rich person in the million dollar range which is what Obama is referring to, pays taxes fair and square, they can still live a lavish lifestyle. It's not going to crimp their style. Lots of homeless people on the streets lately but they sometimes get a job and guess what they do? They pay taxes. It's taken out of every check. federal, state, fica, medicare, unemployment, etc.


# 27. 4/26/12 11:08 AM by Mike - Hemlock, NY
thumbsup.gif I've heard about the national flat tax idea. But I wonder about how we will be differently screwed under it. Will we be more, or less screwed? Has anybody calculated the numbers? Are there going to be unintended negative consequences? And will we get a tax deduction for hemorhoid pillows?


# 28. 4/26/12 11:15 AM by Jeff - Mivale, Utah
Hey #6. Bobin Hood robbed the government to give back to the people they overtaxed. I hate the way people think robing the rich is ok.


# 29. 4/26/12 11:31 AM by Some Guy - Rochester, NY
thumbsdown.gif The middle class/upper middle class pays the highest share of their earnings to the IRS, which were NEVER intended to be subject to a tax on income, which was basically seen as a capital gain on an investment, not pay for the sweat of your brow.

The tax rate on earnings should be zero, and the government should be downsized to its constitutional size and scope, which would expand liberty and improve the average standard of living that has been under attack by big government and big banksters and masquerading as capitalism (until their next bailout).

The sad thing is the people are in the midst of a revolution, and the media still thinks they alone control the flow of information.


# 30. 4/26/12 11:34 AM by Tom - Webster
thumbsup.gif I like to use the cow analogy to make the point. The liberals insist on milking the cow, and also insist that other people (rich)feed and care for its health. All we ask is for the moochers to give the cow a bit of straw and water once in a while. The milk is not an entitlement!


# 31. 4/26/12 11:49 AM by RS - New York
There is a new breed of rich that has been under the radar, our government employees.

Do they get laid off as frequently as the private sector? I doubt it. In fact, the government just gets bigger and bigger, while the private economy shirks. Why is that?

Let's look at our current President who complains about the rich getting off easy. He makes $400,000 a year, with room, board, free transportation, a golden vacation plan, first class health services and protective security, all paid on our dime. When he is voted out, he'll have an excellent pension, still have personal protection, and make millions in books, speeches, and business appearances. The president may not be rich compared to the likes of say, Mitt Romney, but in relation to the majority of us working stiffs, I'd say he's got a pretty sweet deal.


# 32. 4/26/12 11:53 AM
Same old Republican crapola.

Boy, you righties sure make the lower income people sound just awful as people.

Then you make the rich sound like robbery victims who will be robbed even more in the coming years unless the savior GOP comes to their rescue and thwarts the dastardly, Marxist, Commie sympathizing, lazy loving Democ"rats" from stealing all of the unfortunate rich mans moola.

Yer a Bible reader, and you know what it says about the rich. They ain't getting into heaven, not today, not tomorrow, and they ain't gonna be saved by the kind and goodly GOP white hats.

Oh yeah, and maybe I should add that your arithmetic is really cute in it's overwhelming bias towards the scam yer pulling on readers.

You never did mention that the upper 50% who pay all the taxes also earn 87% of the money. That's right, those rotten devils in the lower income brackets, those lousy cheating, unfair scoundrels make a whopping 13% of the income paid in the United States. You want to tax the poor bashatsterds, SO IT WILL BE FAIR.

Why don't you Republicans shut your lying mouths and let the honest people sort things out.

Good lord, your party has become lower than a snakes belly.


# 33. 4/26/12 11:55 AM by Lee - Layton, Utah
thumbsup.gif The fellow that said there are more takers than makers has a point. I wonder, if in the interest of "fairness" we make it so that if you are on the public dole, or don't pay income tax, your right to vote is suspended until you are one of the makers again. This way only people who have money in the game can play....


# 34. 4/26/12 12:07 PM by Porter Rockwell - Lake Bonneville
thumbsup.gif God got it right - 10 percent, across the board. Rich or poor. 10 percent. It's called TITHING, for all those who have never cracked open a Bible. Why are politicians so afraid to create a straight flat tax? No deductions, no loopholes, no credits, no BS. Tax returns on the back of a postcard.


# 35. 4/26/12 1:15 PM by marge
I don't care what the IRS says, they are not a government agency and they are perpetrating a fraud and I don't believe their statistics. sorry bob but the rich have tax attorneys, offshore accounts and loopholes. They are only taxed a portion of what they earn or profit from and CEO'S ARE basically psychopaths and the real takers in this society.


# 36. 4/26/12 1:25 PM
This is a very legitimate concern! Even I have seen the wisdom of earning less. With no debts in the world, my wife and I have ramped down our work hours simply to minimize the tax bite.

Unfortunately, when everyone adopts this strategy, there will be no federal income.

I wish the Democrats had the wisdom to realize that what they tax, they will get less of; and what they subsidize, they will get more of. They are directly on target to have a country full of slug muffins like me.

When that happens, the flight park will become too crowded and I'll have to go back to work to get away from all those lazy bastards.


# 37. 4/26/12 1:29 PM by Independent
black men never enjoyed the total fruits of citizenship during F.D. days. Off topic but really disappointed in Justice Scalia with his refusal to discuss racial profiling when talking about Arizona anti-immigration law when it's the very spirit of the argument. His racism couldn't show more and he wants to whitewash the issue.


# 38. 4/26/12 1:58 PM by GB
Not only is it theft by legislation it's generational theft.


# 39. 4/26/12 2:04 PM by Diane - Utah
I have written numerous times to Orrin Hatch on the tax committee. They need to think about a flat tax. Across the board, everyone pay 5%. If everyone paid that to the feds and 3% to their states, we could get by. Most of these tax laws are made by attorneys for accountants who would lose business if we went to that. That is why it is seldom talked about. The IRS would lose employees too as we would have no need for endless paperwork and there would be less tax evasion. Now, to get the dems to quit spending.


# 40. 4/26/12 2:26 PM by Old Ham - Great_Basin
thumbsup.gif To: # 32. 4/26/12 11:53 AM "Same old Democrat/progressive crapola."

So, in your perfect world the 51% who pay NO federal income tax should keep getting all their government services while the rest of us pay for it? And fully HALF the population of these United States is in your words POOR?

Like your beloved Barack H. Obama says: "Everybody’s going to have to give. Everybody’s going to have to have some skin in the game".

You ARE a freaking commie, aren’t you.


# 41. 4/26/12 2:50 PM by Cal - Rochester, NY
Bob,

The modern Republicans don`t represent me,,,, They want to take away... Meanwhile the modern dems, promise the moon, and give us some cash, but then all their spending threatens the Country into insolvancy, with the cost of living taking everything back and then some... They play Santa Clause, so the masses vote for them.... It`s so bad that even Social Security is threated into going into non-existance! Meanwhile the Obama`s are vacationing first class all over the world at the most expensive places, while acting as the Grifters... As George Wallace once said, THERE IS NOT A DIMES WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ELEPHANTS AND THE ASSES.

Cal


# 42. 4/26/12 3:08 PM by Will - Greece
#22: "It was the educated blacks who were more often hung."

Bet you had to restrain yourself from making a comment on that. :-)


# 43. 4/26/12 3:09 PM by Gary Z - Fairport
How much money did your daughter make in the Army in 2011 ????

How much did she pay in taxes?


# 44. 4/26/12 3:17 PM by Ultra Bob - salt lake city Utah
thumbsdown.gif No matter how the tax is levied, no matter who pays the tax to the government, All taxes are paid by the consumer.

Every rich guy or gal, every business, every organization engaged in financial dealing, simply adds their tax load to the price of the end product that is consumed.

And the consumer having consumed the product has no way to pass the tax onto anyone else.

Even though you might think the consumer would add the tax to his wages paid by his employer, capitalistic business will not allow such a preposterous thing to happen.

Wages are calculated by a set of factors that are controlled by the rich and powerful, and they don’t include taxes. So even if the price of bread is increased, that doesn’t mean that workers will get a raise in wages.


# 45. 4/26/12 3:45 PM
You would need to go to college before you could become a teacher.


# 46. 4/26/12 6:05 PM by Katrina
#14, I'm really glad you have that civility thing nutted!


# 47. 4/26/12 7:42 PM by PT 109
Those of you who settle for lower standards can just be satisfied with this whole fruad called the election system/election cycle. How is it fraudulent and farcical for those who cannot think out of the box? For starters, no one who runs for the big seat can work a full-time job: too much campaigning to do with other peoples' money. So, none of us regular working folks who are not spoiled rich or on the public dole can even run-so much for it representing the rest of us when one of our own cannot even run. Second, the electors' votes count not our own. Third, more money is raised, spent and wasted on just telling us that so and so wants to be President and he would really like it if we voted for him (instead of using the money for needed causes, making those who run on a premuse of cutting spending and government waste the biggest liars of all in that thewy won on the basis of out-spending their closest competitor). Shall I go on?


# 48. 4/26/12 7:43 PM by PT 109
Those of you who settle for lower standards can just be satisfied with this whole fraud called the election system/election cycle. How is it fraudulent and farcical for those who cannot think out of the box? For starters, no one who runs for the big seat can work a full-time job: too much campaigning to do with other peoples' money. So, none of us regular working folks who are not spoiled rich or on the public dole can even run-so much for it representing the rest of us when one of our own cannot even run. Second, the electors' votes count not our own. Third, more money is raised, spent and wasted on just telling us that so and so wants to be President and he would really like it if we voted for him (instead of using the money for needed causes, making those who run on a premise of cutting spending and government waste the biggest liars of all in that they won on the basis of out-spending their closest competitor). Shall I go on?


# 49. 4/26/12 11:17 PM by Rick - Lehi, Ut
But what you did not say is that the SUPER RICH, the Warren Buffets, The Bill Gates and the Romneys etc, they pay absolutley NO income tax.. they pay capital gains tax and that is NOT the same as income tax.. And I feel it is wrong that the capital gains is taxed at a much lower rate than income. Why can't all means of a persons increase be taxed at the same rate.. whether you be poor or wealthy.. after all, the LORD doesn't ask the very wealthy to pay anymore tithing than the poorest of poor.. the minimum wage earner is asked to pay ten percent.. the mega rich is asked to pay ten percent... Wouldn't it be nice if the government could some how do the same? And Bob, I have a total income of around 36,000 a year so I am not by any means what I would call well off.


# 50. 4/26/12 11:57 PM by Gary
funny how when Reagan spoke the same about how it's not fair that the rich pay less, everyone cheered but then again if you have no brain you wouldn't know the difference about anything



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