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56 Responses to:
THE GAY GUY AND THE INDIAN GUY
# 1. 5/22/12 7:29 AM by Larry - Virginia
I'll go along with those last three sentences!
# 2. 5/22/12 7:57 AM by OldVietVet - Rochester, NY
Right. But the "judge" in this case did not wish to offend the "minority" community.And that is importatnt, isn't it? Race trumps all-ask Obama and the NAACP.Or turn the racial identities of victim/perp around,and ask yourself what would have been the outcome of the trial.The suicide death as well as the sexuality of the victim were secondary.After all, he was a white kid. The criminal justice system has reminded us all of where the real ultimate bullying problem resides- in our Governmnent.
# 3. 5/22/12 7:58 AM by GEORGE (the other one) - GANANOQUE ONTARIO CANADA
We have lost the ability to think critically. We have lost the ability to strip away the noise and listen to the voice. We allow the shrill screamers with their not so hidden agendas to cloud the issues and make them over into something that they are not. You are dead on target with this one Bob. And your observations about the true purpose of the bullying issue are accurate as well.
# 4. 5/22/12 8:00 AM
Exactly. How come no one else in the media is bringing up the privacy issue? It seems everyone gets up in arms when a surveillance camera is revealed to have been in a local country club locker room. And then there are the outcries when video cameras are found placed surreptitiously in women's restrooms... as well there should be. It's the same violation of privacy. The guys found guilty get their own punishment. This joker from India should get HIS.
# 5. 5/22/12 8:05 AM by Poplar Beach
Peeping has become popular; see the paparazzi and celebrities. To me these photo leaches are scum and when they cross the line, as they do all the time, it should be a crime. I am all for freedom of the press, but intrusion into privacy and then posting this for all to see should is a crime and 30 days is no where punishment enough in this case!
Funny thing, had his roommate been straight, the most he might have gotten was a punch in the nose and a civil lawsuit!
# 6. 5/22/12 8:08 AM by Christopher - Newport News, VA
I hope they sue the pants off of the Indian guy. In public of course.
# 7. 5/22/12 8:20 AM by Lawyer Dan
He still may have to face civil court for damages done to the boy
# 8. 5/22/12 8:24 AM by Sam
Hate crime, is over reacting. It is like blaming Ravi for Clementi's suicide.
# 9. 5/22/12 8:29 AM by Adk Hiker
This world is becoming more upside down every day.
# 10. 5/22/12 8:33 AM by Homer - Dundee
If Clementi was so concerned about others finding out about his activities with this 32 year old person then he should have done it off campus.
# 11. 5/22/12 8:45 AM by Matt - Rochester, NY
If the gay community isn't getting attention somehow they get all bent out of shape. Guess what, it is 2012, and nobody cares anymore whether you are gay or straight. So stop getting in our faces about how "different" and "cool" you are for being gay, and how "persecuted" you are because of it, because you aren't!
# 12. 5/22/12 8:53 AM by Frank - Hamlin
Dharun seems to be the nicest gay basher.
# 13. 5/22/12 8:55 AM by Carol - Fairport
Fifteen guilty verdicts. This unremorseful arrogant kid thought he was above the law and he was right.
Editor's Note: sadly, you nailed it.
# 14. 5/22/12 8:56 AM by Hm - Rochester
In the same situation I would have requested a different roommate. But that's probably just me being hateful again.
There were huge errors in judgement made on both sides. And I think the fact Ravi has not apologized is very telling. He is probably not, in fact, remorseful at all.
Tyler's parents though should also have taught him: Whatever situation you get yourself into, you had better be ready to accept the worst possible outcome. If you can't, then don't do it.
Editor's Note: requesting a new roommate, by either young man, would have been perfectly reasonable.
# 15. 5/22/12 8:59 AM by Larry - Leroy
I whole heartily agree Bob. This Indian guy should fry. I also find Selma Hyek extremely attractive.
# 16. 5/22/12 9:08 AM
This new style of yours.
Where you use lots of sentences as paragraphs.
Do you text these things in?
# 17. 5/22/12 9:08 AM by Ace
30 is too much time. He should be out and free to write a book and movie.
# 18. 5/22/12 9:19 AM by B Smith - Syracuse New York
This was nothing but a silly prank and it only became a "crime" when the gay guy killed himself. The gay kid obviously had mental problems and it wasn't because he was gay. His problem was he couldn't accept his sexuality and apparently from early reports was afraid of the reaction from his family. For all their courtroom sobbing they are probably far more responsible than the kid from India who barely knew him. The kid from India may be arrogant, but he is also smart enough to understand that he is not responsible for the irrational reaction of the gay guy. Like most young people today, the kid from India doesn't hate gays, he really didn't care. He probably would have done the same thing to straight roommate and they all would have had a good laugh.
Editor's Note: silly prank? where's your wife's bedroom, i want to put up the camera. let the pranking begin.
# 19. 5/22/12 9:29 AM by Diane - Utah
First off, dorm rooms are never private, really. If you are going to engage in sexual activity you should go off campus. Second, no one made that kid jump off a bridge. If they have so much gay pride, why is he so embarrassed? It would blow over eventually and there would be something new in a week that would be talked about. Third, the Indian guy should have been given a much harsher punishment for invading anyone's privacy with hidden cameras for the pure pleasure of making fun of someone. Gay or heterosexual, no one should have their love life exposed publicly on camera for someone else's amusement. I hope the murdered kid's family sues, I sure would. It's humiliation. Bullying, I am not so sure.
# 20. 5/22/12 9:39 AM by Matt - Rochester, NY
To #14 and Bob, requesting a new roommate usually goes knowhere. I requested one in college because my roommate was a big smoker and would smoke in our dorm room (which was allowed) and I couldn't stand cigarette smoke. He also happened to be from Japan. So when i requested a new roommate they said no and pegged me as hating Japanese people. Even though my sister is Korean. At the very least it would have made the college more liable.
# 21. 5/22/12 9:45 AM by tw - rochester, ny
A spacecraft launched today that will dock with the ISS. It was privately funded. This is capitalism at work, and a demonstrates the power of the American mind, work ethic, industry, and entrepreneurship. That's worth a column, IMO.
Editor's Note: then write one
# 22. 5/22/12 9:47 AM by Doug - Fairport
Just to clarify one popular misconception:
Rutgers is not a "fancy university". It's not an Ivy League school.
It's the State University of New Jersey.
That's it. A state school. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I went to a state school. But it's not a fancy university. In New York it would be called "SUNY-New Brunswick". Anywhere else, it'd be called "New Jersey State".
But in New Jersey they call it Rutgers and people across the country have this preconceived notion that Rutgers is some fancy school. Nope, it's New Jersey State. Period. The equivalent of Geneseo, Oswego, or Brockport. Nothing wrong with that, but nothing special either.
The fancy school is down the road in Princeton.
Editor's Note: oswego is not rutgers
# 23. 5/22/12 9:56 AM by North Chili Patriot
Ok, you make some points. But your overreaching crap about bullying is really a bunch of crap...
"The entire bullying movement is a ploy to tighten the muzzle of political correctness." - And you talk about using this incident to twist it to fit your political agenda!
"It is the next step in the effort to enforce the orthodoxy of liberalism." You're like Joe McCarthy - you see a liberal hiding behind every tree.
And you contradict yourself starting with the title of the column - because it's not about the "gay guy and the Indian guy" - it's about human guys.
Two thumbs down.
# 24. 5/22/12 10:02 AM
The Indian guy's mother acted so arrogant.
Smart enough to get into Rutger's, smart enough to know about people's rights. Wonder what his major was.
Dharun sound's gay in any language. He was probably getting his rocks off watching.
Bubba can teach Dharun a lot in 30 days, but they will end up segregated. A better sentence would be 7 days in general population.
Then Dharun could do his own suicide. And stream it on the web...
# 25. 5/22/12 10:06 AM
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# 26. 5/22/12 10:21 AM
It's my understanding that Clementi DID request a new roommate. I don't know whether the request was pending or what. With three kids in college, I do know that colleges typically drag their feet on these things in the hopes that the kids will work it out.
Your analysis is on the money. Ravi thinks he did nothing wrong. He really, truly believes that. What a waste of oxygen.
# 27. 5/22/12 10:40 AM
Since when does having your sex videos go public mean you kill yourself? Who knew Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian could be better examples of how to handle a situation than a supposedly intelligent college student?
Besides, what's the big freaking deal? It's a little boot-knockin'! Is it just because it was gay sex? Choose your stance, gay community! Either homosexuality is normal, or it isn't! If it's normal, then it's nothing to jump off a bridge over, right?
# 28. 5/22/12 10:57 AM by Valerie - Rochester, NY
To #16 -- you are cruel. Bob cannot help it with his style of paragraphing. He is legallly blind and deaf. He has a brain disease caused by an unknown pathogen which is probably from the Picornavirus family of viruses. Mode of transmission is uncertain but genetic susceptibility may be involved. Thankfully, God spared all his children this DNA link.
# 29. 5/22/12 10:59 AM by Mark S. - Rochester, NY
I have read that for any jail time a condition would be that the Indian Guy gets deported. That pretty much works for me.
# 30. 5/22/12 10:59 AM by Liberty Tom - Rochester, NY
"Bullying"....heck - people (especially many young people) are lacking in basic human decency. Am I pro-gay agenda ? No. This kid could have just as easily had a woman in there and Haji would have felt just as compelled to act like the piece of garbage that he is. I'd deport him too, but only after the friends and family of the dead kid get to throw him a blanket party. At least there would be SOME resemblance of justice.
# 31. 5/22/12 11:37 AM by Hm - Rochester
I also find Selma Hyek extremely attractive.
Dude, it's Salma Hayek. The rest of us cringe when you say that and then misspell her divine name!
All in good fun ;)
# 32. 5/22/12 11:40 AM
Actually #18 is about right on this. Who knew the kid would kill himself. If you watch the interview he gave to ABC, the Indian guy seems like a rather likeable person. Clemete had to be unstable and should have been more open about his desire to make it with men. To call this murder is a giant leap.
# 33. 5/22/12 11:44 AM by Mark
30 days is just fine - in the stocks naked.
# 34. 5/22/12 12:04 PM
I agree with deporting him. I thing 30 days in jail is ok as long as they send him back to his country. He did go through hell over the last 2 years because of the media that represented the gay and bullying agendas so that would have been like jail time. As stupid as this 18 year old was, he was only 18 and had no clue that the room mate had serious mental health issues and that he may kill himself. I had an aunt who committed suicide when her kids were in the dining area. I despise anyone who will commit suicide, for any reason.
Besides, who knows the whole story. There were two people on the video. Only one killed himself. Was the kid worried about his parents reactions (maybe they were anti-gay) or did the other kid tell him he did not want to see him any more? Sadly, we will never know because the now dead room mate was just as selfish as the kid who shot the video.
# 35. 5/22/12 12:07 PM by laura - rochester
Nicely said Bob
# 36. 5/22/12 12:13 PM
About your last radio diatribe about the blacks being the problem in Rochester----
YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOURSELF FIRED AGAIN!
# 37. 5/22/12 12:17 PM by Michael - Las Vegas, NV
#33: throw in a live stream webcam.
Actually if the punishment is to fit the crime, he should (in addition to some time in jail on the privacy invasion issue), have a court-mandated web cam set up in his own bedroom and bathroom (and/or jail cell) for a couple of years, activated at random intervals.
# 38. 5/22/12 12:23 PM by Dave - Henrietta
Bob, I'm your age but I was in my mid 30's before I had realized I had grown up lower middle class. My mother couponed heavily, darned my socks, etc. My Dad ordered pizza about twice a year and took us to Callahans to the north of Conesus Lake once every summer. Never had a family vacation. I distinctly remembering my mother swearing one day after determining that we qualified for food stamps and remarking on how ridiculous that was. One year after a flood or drought a government worker came around to all the farmers with a checkbook. My Dad said that he didn't want their money while the neighbors went out and bought new cars. It's much easier to get more money now than it was then. Last week Governor Cuomo said he was eliminating fingerprinting ad a requirement for certain handouts because something like 38% were not taking advantage. Did it ever dawn on him that maybe some people have personal pride and would NEVER take a handout?
# 39. 5/22/12 12:35 PM by Bill - Dallas, TX
Some comments on the comments:
Rutgers is a selective university. The students are typically well prepared academically. However, they are still 18 to 22 years old and as such often behave badly. That is to say, they can have some very poor judgment.
A person should have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a dorm room.
Schools do not make the exchanging of roommates easy for the simple reason that if it were easy the housing staff would be spending all of their time reassigning roommates. It is a logistical problem.
While the defendant did not foresee the victim killing himself, he could easily foresee the victim being publicly humiliated, as that was the point of the webcam.
I can think of no punishment harsher than deportation to India.
# 40. 5/22/12 12:43 PM
Here is another one for ya....
Man sentenced for burning daughter on gas stove, then letting dogs bite her......
# 41. 5/22/12 12:52 PM
What ever happened to civility? Whatever happened to common sense? Sad commentary on our youth today. One young man performed a very evil prank. The other young fellow should have realized that he would possibly be the butt of jokes, nasty comments and looks. I guess I'm old school and wish the closet door had remained closed.
# 42. 5/22/12 3:22 PM
30 days is just fine - in the stocks naked.
Yeah, that way arrogant Indian guy can just hang there and be be bullish and bare-ish all at the same time.
# 43. 5/22/12 4:08 PM
My first reaction to this story was, why do we let precious space in our prestigious universities be filled by foreigners?
We keep hearing how many countries are racing by us intellectually, and in the next sentence you hear that Dhic Run Shasha- ranjob graduated Summa Cum Laude at Princeton.
Yeah they are running right by us intellectually because America is educating them in class seats that should have Americans in them.
As for the gay guy and Indian guy--the gay guy seriously over-reacted, and he also hurt many people who loved him by ending his life.
The Indian guy I'm sure we'll see on the TV show Criminal Minds because he's one sick SOB. Remorselessness of his kind comes only from a sociopath.
Bob, you gotta get grip on your seeing a liberal behind every tree. You are coming off as Joe McCarthy like another commenter wrote.
# 44. 5/22/12 4:29 PM by mj
#2 this isn't a race issue
# 45. 5/22/12 5:14 PM by Some Guy
Quiet young guy and creepy old stranger enter your dorm room full of thousands of dollars worth of everything you own, using a camera to monitor your property is legitimate, and that was the original intent of the roommate.
Instead, he caught a gay sex act and was shocked. He was not anti-gay by any stretch of the imagination, so the verdict really shows just how dumb most juries are these days.
# 46. 5/22/12 6:09 PM by Cal - Rochester, NY
Our whole society is going crazy... Don`t believe me? Here is one of Drudge`s leading headlines today. COPS: "Drunk driver arrested with zebra, parrot in front seat of truck"... (:>)
# 47. 5/22/12 7:58 PM by hc
What do you think about this sentence?
It's just about right.
The first one is a sentence. The other two are fragments.
# 48. 5/22/12 9:11 PM by Galen - Rochester
This is an invasion of privacy of a college roommate. The Indian guy should be sentenced for that. The fact that the gay killed himself should have nothing to do with it. Maybe the defendant is an arrogant a-hole or maybe acting like the suicide was not his fault was a defense strategy. This is a tragedy but 30 days seems appropriate.
# 49. 5/22/12 9:12 PM by JKBell - Harrisville
1st question: If Tyler Clementi hadn't committed suicide, would Ravi been put in jail?
The answer is NO!
2nd Question: If Tyler Clementi had been with a girl would Ravi been put in jail?
The answer is NO!
3rd Question: Do we know for sure that Tyler killed himself because of being outed?
The answer is No
A good punishment would be to force Ravi to read a whole year of the Advocate.
# 50. 5/22/12 9:40 PM
Hey when are you going to update your bio---
"He hosts a midday talk show in Rochester, New York, on 50,000-watt 1180 WHAM -- one of the highest-rated news/talk stations in America. He is also host of the morning show on KLO am 1430 in Salt Lake City, Utah."
Editor's Note: i don't do either anymore. but i sure wish i did. anyone want to be my agent?
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