158 Responses to:
PUNKS ON THE BUS -- PART 2

# 1. 6/21/12 9:01 AM by Ralph
The kids from my neighborhood were exactly like that. It was the cool thing to do. Just hurl non-stop insults at your peers and make fun of people all of the time.

# 2. 6/22/12 12:14 AM by jerry - geneseo
who cares bob, its all over. can't stop it now.

# 3. 6/22/12 12:25 AM
Where is the Greece Supt?

# 4. 6/22/12 12:31 AM by Ken - Greece,NY
The Greece School District has become an embarrassment the world over. The school should, at the very least, ban these 4 little punks from riding the bus for at least 1 year. If they don't the entire student body will realize that however reprehensible or disgusting their behavior is, nothing will be done. The school district better make an example out of these punks so that all the students fully understand that this conduct will not be tolerated. The whole world will be watching. It's too bad the 4 are getting harassed and threatened. Perhaps while their cowering in their homes they will have time to think about what they did and ponder the consequences of their actions. What's the old saying .. "Payback's a...Not lot of fun."

# 5. 6/22/12 1:47 AM by Cal - Rochester, NY
Bob,

I heard on the news that these punks were threatening to stab her. She was afraid for her life! She feared retaliation by the culprits would be more life threatening! No one has apologized to her personally and she did not want to meet with them, last I heard. I would think that if someone is threatened with a knife it would be criminal. And the thought that they were bragging about their actions on You-Tube! It must have been preplanned... And then the adults covering up for them while they looked like potential murderers. What a sick society! This is what happens when society turns away from God! Nick Wallenda made history with his thrilling testimony for God last week walking that cable while the whole world watched. He helped ABC to get excellent ratings and then ABC paid him back with deleating his Praising Jesus while he walked, from their re-runs! Nick said the purpose of his walk was to Glorify God to give Inspiration to the world. Now evil is in charge at the Greece School system while they teach the kiddies that they are derived from pond scum! There is lots of blame to go around! And the culprits are still free to harm this 70 year old woman! What will they do now for an oncore?!

# 6. 6/22/12 1:57 AM by dave
I have lived in Greece for 20 years and I can tell you there is no discipline in the schools or on the bus. Administrators have told us that nys will not allow them to kick a student off the bus without providing that student with private transportation. Also union rules allow bus drivers to select the route they drive based on seniority so supervisors can not assign more experienced drivers to the routes with problem kids. Union rules also will not allow the district to pay drivers who can control their buses a little more money as an incentive to take problem routes.

# 7. 6/22/12 3:26 AM by Abner D

Every social ill facing the United States today began with a failed liberal experiment.

The video of verbal abuse and humiliation suffered by school bus monitor, Karen Klein, is the direct result of a failed liberal experiment called, The Time Out Method Of Liberal Child Rearing.

For those of you not familiar with it, the Time Out Method dictates that 'reasoning' is the only acceptable form of discipline when dealing with a screaming, out of control, spoiled brat.

Teachers and school administrators re-enforce the Time Out Method by letting little Johnny know he can have his parents arrested at the drop of a hat. Little Johnny never misses an opportunity to pass the message along to mom and dad.

I suppose a case could be made against the bus manufacturer for not providing a Time Out section on the bus. A stronger case could be made that all liberals should be sterilized.

Anyway, it's all nicely detailed in Rules For Liberals, Chapter 3: The Children - How We Can Use Them To Destroy America From Within. It's on the suggested reading list of every public school teacher in America.

# 8. 6/22/12 4:24 AM by Dr. Strangelove
The school district's probably WAY overpaid Dr. Whazsherfrig and her "Bullying Response Team" was the most laughable part of the news conference. And the failure of the monitor to effectively communicate or even make an attempt to communicate with the bus driver put everyone on that bus in jeopardy. What about "charges" against them for dereliction of duty? Was her "job description" to just sit there and be abused? $16 grand plus full benefits for a part time job seems ludicrous. What was she, ballast for the bus? The kids looked for an airhead to bully and they found one that day.

As far as I am concerned as a taxpayer, the jig is up at the Town of Greece and the Greece School District. WE DEMAND FULL VALUE FOR OUR INVESTMENT, NOT LAME EXCUSES.

This whole sordid affair is a perfect example of government gone bonkers.

Now I gotta ask. Are there REALLY REAL nuclear missiles that REALLY WORK in our silos and subs?

Or have we been sold a bill of goods all the way around?

I don't think we can handle the truth...

# 9. 6/22/12 4:51 AM by frank - rochester,ny
A million dollars for doing nothing but crying.For cryin out loud, someone call me some bad names and put in on you tube before my next car payment!

Editor's Note: troll

# 10. 6/22/12 4:51 AM by Out of the Mouthes of Babes
Just think - in a few short years these punks will be on the road driving. Then bully will transform into road rage. And along with that the texting. The bus monitor got her "Instant Karma" with her money jackpot. What will the future hold for the punks? Which will be wrapped around a tree or entombed in a unrecognizable car wreck? Which will go on to harm one of yours or mine loved ones? Which will shoot a cop? Rape or strangle an uncooperative lover? Which a strung-out stoner? Which will be bait for Bubba?

What seems insignificant now becomes magnified in their still very young futures.

And that is where we should focus now.

# 11. 6/22/12 5:05 AM by Darryl
Agreed. Failure to act when the whole incident is now so widely publicized will not only show these little SOB's they can get away with it but it will open the door for such future bullying, not only from them but from copycats. They will know that not only will they not get into trouble but that their Youtube video will go viral and they can make money exploiting others. If there is failure to act, all the anti-bullying cries we hear are nothing but a farce, because if they punks will do this to an elderly bus driver, they'll do it to anyone they think they have the upper hand on. Left unpunished, this will lead to a couple outcomes and neither are good:

1.) They will do it to someone who will decide to end it all and commit suicide.

2.) They will do it to the wrong person and end up dead themselves.

No, I'm with you. There must be a recourse and it must be swift and it must be final. It needs to sting-- bad-- and the families need to feel it, too. Regardless of whether they taught their children to behave this way, their children were under their watch. I don't buy that these kids were angels who suddenly grew fangs. They either were blind to what their kids were or they chose not to see.

# 12. 6/22/12 5:20 AM by Joe - Sparta
I saw on the news where one of the fathers went to Ms. Klein and apologized for his son's behavior. He was then interviewed by a reporter after that. At least it's something, but all I could think of was WHERE THE HELL IS THE SON HERE? Why wasn't he the one that was doing the apologizing? The father seemed like a decent person, and his contrition seemed genuine. But by doing the apologizing himself instead of having his son be the one, even if he had to drag him there by his prepubescents, I don't think he taught the son much of anything. And then about the kids getting hundreds of threats on their cell phones. Like they are victims now. O the humanity! BWA HAA HAA!

# 13. 6/22/12 5:26 AM by Larry - Greece,NY
Yes!!!

# 14. 6/22/12 5:29 AM by B Smith - Syracuse New York
There is another important factor here too. According to a story in the Rochester paper, the bus monitor is hard of hearing and didn't even hear some of what the kids said to her until she saw the video. That explains a lot about how this got out of control. Kids can certainly be mean, but they are also smart and surely understood she didn't hear well. They most likely have been making unkind comments about her for some time and since they knew she didn't hear them, they were only playing to the other kids. Not much harm done.

They get an inch and then take a mile. Now things clearly get out of control but there are other victims here too. Surely the other kids felt intimidated and apparently that is why the kid made the video. Taking charge of the situation where the monitor sat there and cried. Clearly a 68 year old lady who is hard of hearing is not up to the task of handling a bus load of rowdy Junior-High kids. The school district should have left her with little kids who needed a hand crossing the street, but since she was hard of hearing she might not have been up to that either.

The most shocking thing about this are all the death threats against the kids, the families and even relatives of these kids. Love the new show on CBS, called Dogs in the City. It takes some skills to train dogs and this guy does an amazing jobs of reforming the mutts with nothing more than superior know how. It is none to simple to understand that it doesn't take much more than that to control kids and you certainly don't have to beat them or take any other drastic actions that far too many who think they are so superior have suggested.

# 15. 6/22/12 5:43 AM by Liberty Tom - Rochester, NY
Please pick me to be the next monitor on that bus !!!! Pick me ! OOOH-OOOH Pick me !!!!

# 16. 6/22/12 5:52 AM by little john - Mt.Morris,N.Y.
Meaningless drivel about the Bullying Response Team and the need for “dialogue on this important issue.” This isn’t an ad for another pep rally on bullying. It is a demand for improvement and accountability.

Beginning with the punks.

They must pay a price. It must be big. And they must start paying it now.

And the district must announce now what that punishment is. Pushing it off until the story fades is not satisfactory. Pushing it off until the story fades is cowardice and failed leadership.

So announce the punishment.

Acknowledge the lack of control on buses.

And find a way to assure this will never happen again.

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I agree with this column, but in an abstract way I see this as how we the people treat our representatives in Albany and D.C.

The bus that we the people are on, is out of control and the undisciplined have indebted us, (U.S.?), to a point where we want to punish everybody for everything.

(except the truly guilty or rather those in the State run Education system.) subsidized by Albany to an exorbitant tune.

# 17. 6/22/12 6:15 AM by Woody
I agree with you but it ain't going to happen the authorities ain't going to do squat,and these little darlings are going to go on thinking that they are the most important wonderful beings in existence no matter what they do ,just like all of that self esteem crap teaches them,these kids are taught from the git-go that no one is as important as they are. Unfortunately that is the sad commentary on to days society ,Hooray for me screw you.

# 18. 6/22/12 6:43 AM by Kiki - Hilton, NY
I personally couldn't watch more then 30 seconds of the video. There are so many elements to this situation that can and should be used as teaching moments for our kids, schools, community etc. Again, Greece NY is in the news and not for positive wonderful things. the town is too big and so are the egos that run it.

# 19. 6/22/12 6:54 AM by Mark - Greece
As soon as I heard one of the pisspots stepfather was a Greece cop I knew where this "investigation" would go. Right in the crapper. It was nice to see John Auberger speak up about this. He is such a good example for our youth.....

# 20. 6/22/12 6:58 AM by Grandma Taxpayer - Greece, NY
Double Thumbs Up again today Bob!

I hope you keep talking about this on your show for days to come. Public ridicule and scrutiny will be the only way to force change in this devoid of leadership district. Not ONE SINGLE person employed by the school district has had the guts to stand up and say ENOUGH to the total lack of discipline on the buses and in our schools.

Bullying Response Team??????? Give me a freakin break. What the hell is that???

We need more leadership of the caliber of the now departed former Athena principal George Vito. He was not worried one bit about protecting a kid's self esteem. It was his way or the highway at his school and everyone from the school board to the Superintendent down knew it. You did not tell Mr. Vito how to run his school and he ran a tight ship.

And where oh where is our Superintendent?????? Sitting in her lawn chair at her lakeside home in Lyndonville??

And our esteemed Town Supervisor????? I guess from his public comments he believes our kids don't need his leadership either. He claims he has no authority because the school district is separate from the town.

By the way.....WHEC had two news stories posted yesterday regarding student punishment. In the first one the City School District revealed what the punishment will be for the 28 SOTA students that spray painted the school. The second story was about our debacle in Greece and our school district said they will not be revealing the punishment these four animals will receive. Sorry, but they go to a public school which is paid for with my tax dollars. I think this community has a right to know what will happen with these kids.

# 21. 6/22/12 6:59 AM by Beth - Canandaigua, NY
WRONG! GO AFTER THE PARENTS! Children like this, with some exceptions, are products of their environments. There is a reason we call them "dependent minors". Having worked with emotionally disturbed teens, I can safely say most were the result of crappy parenting ( yes there will always be exceptions). With the kids I work with, they are removed from the home, and the parents face no consequences and get to continue to collect "disability" and watch Jerry Springer. The blame is partly on the lack of school discipline. But mostly a lack of parental discipline. Far too many parents inflict these types of kids on schools and society in general. Let them face the consequences for the actions of their kids.

# 22. 6/22/12 7:02 AM by Bruth
Bob: For half a million bucks you can victimize me anytime!

# 23. 6/22/12 7:04 AM by chip - canandaigua
One of the few benefits here is all of the 'what if that was my child' conversations happening now. A shocking moment helping awareness and initiating conversation across the nation.

The horror of national ridicule and all the children being being told; "if you ever do something like that I'll...." likewise many children now encouraged to prevent or stop situations like this.

I say regardless of official punishments, a year's worth of free high quality lawnwork twice a week starting at 6AM would have been our immediate 'apology.' I would have been at her doorstep with my child the same day.

# 24. 6/22/12 7:08 AM by OldVietVet - Rochester, NY
Agreed, but the refusal of the Greece Central School District to recognize order and discipline as necessary tools for education, is typical of our Nations half baked educational system.That system is a heaping pile of failed ideas dreamed up by a dimwitted Elite ruling class, and sanctioned by their trash rooting helpmates, the lawyers.It is also the result of dumbell "parents" whose notion of responsibility is to defend their offspring in all cases, whether in delinquency or murder. The Greece Superintendant, and the middle school principal should be fired for criminal stupidity.They are the decision makers, let them be held accountable.The perpetrators should be expelled.But none of these things will happen.As the old comic strip alligator said- "We have met the enemy,and they is us".

# 25. 6/22/12 7:09 AM by Don Rickles - Las Vegas, NV
Look at it this way, Bob. For a couple of minutes of abuse she makes what it takes you a whole month to earn.

Mount Morris. Isn't that what you do to a cat?

# 26. 6/22/12 7:11 AM by Rick G. - Spencerport, NY
Where’s J-Mac when you need him?

# 27. 6/22/12 7:16 AM by Tom - Fairport, NY
Bob,

She looked more like a passenger on the bus, than anyone in an offical capacity.

If her job was really to keep some semblance of order on the bus, she failed at that. In order to be an authority figure, you actually have to project authority. She didn't.

Maybe Greece can explain to us just what the performance expectations are for a "bus monitor." If this is at all typical, they're better off just cutting the position entirely.

# 28. 6/22/12 7:16 AM by Jen - Livonia, NY
This whole situation is very sad. I'm embarrassed to live around here. I told my husband when I first saw the video: "that woman is a bus monitor? Doesn't that mean she has to keep the kids under control?" Don't get me wrong - she seems like a sweet woman, and she's certainly the victim here. But how the kids were allowed to get away with this, why the driver and the monitor seemed powerless to stop them, is definitely a relevant question. I hope that she'll take her strangely-earned "vacation money" and retire in comfort, because I don't think she should be monitoring a bus. Maybe an aide in a Kindergarten room, if she really still wants to work at the school.

I was appalled at what the Greece rep said last night about the threats against the kids, especially the way he finished it. "And he's 13 years old". Yeah, so what? I don't approve of death threats, but the kid deserves to be barraged with nasty messages and to feel attacked from all sides. Maybe it will teach him something. Now how about Greece steps up and institutes an appropriate punishment, instead of asking us to feel sorry for these punks. This is a great opportunity for the school district - often districts limit punishment in order to hide what's going on and try to stay out of the news. In this case, it's too late for that, so it's the perfect time to really show their student body that there are consequences to acting this way.

#7 - I just read an article the other day saying time out is not an effective form of discipline because it's - wait for it - too harsh! It isolates our poor children! lol

# 29. 6/22/12 7:21 AM by Rotten in Denmark
#19 - As I watched the news conference, it briefly and in passing occurred to me that one of them could have been a cops kid. The so-called lack of ability to charge them with something smells of a whitewash.

In junior high I used to hang around with a kid whose father was a cop. What a monster this kid was. He had a knack for finding trouble ANYWHERE!

He got caught in a burglary and spent a few years of hard time. His old man was an ex-marine and 6'- 8" tall and was a good cop, but he could not control that kid.

# 30. 6/22/12 7:21 AM by Poplar Beach
The Greece school system has been shamed, the sub human perpetrators have been shamed, but for both, I imagine that shame will be like water off a ducks back.

To a certain degree the monitor and the bus driver have also been shamed, and I am betting the school will place as much blame as possible with them for not doing their jobs.

Because of government mandates, rules, and restrictions, discipline is at a bare minimum in public schools today. Had that monitor told those kids to sit down and shut up in any way not deemed civilized, by government minders looking over the shoulder to make sure everyone's rights are protected, she probably would have lost her job. AND THE KIDS KNOW THAT!!

The more government control, the more government agencies, the less common sense there seems to be, and the PUBLIC school system of today, is a magnificent example of that!

As to the money to sooth her wounds, it is crazy out of proportion, but at least the government can take half of it so they can throw even more money down the public school toilet.

This incident is ironic, stupid, sad, as well as damn scarey and I can only hope that 10 minute video opened enough eyes to change some things for the better!

# 31. 6/22/12 7:22 AM by Cindy K - Penfield, NY
#14- some people train their dogs better than they train their kids.

Some random thoughts: Children these days need more Churching to act civil towards others. Do we know what religion the parents are? Do they regularily attend temple, church, mosque,kingdom hall,fellowship meetings or synagogue? I assume that they have not been. Please prove me wrong.

These kids will get a referral, perhaps a brief suspension of a few days, a visit to the principal's office. And then business as normal.

When I was a kid, I was bullied and harassed by others. I was told to repeat this: "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". Kids will call names. It is the immaturity of them. Lets be bigger than that.

# 32. 6/22/12 7:41 AM by dave - rochester
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON ALL COUNTS!! Klein doesn't deserve the money...That whole thing is a farce...She should offer to donate it to a meaningful charity...The Greece school district failed in their hiring practices...somebody in HR needs to be accountable for simply filling a seat with a body....As for the boys...keep them in school, but make them clean bedpans for the sick and elderly for a few months...no more bus rides...let the incompetant parents figure that one out...maybe they will be a little more aware of what little monsters they produced.

# 33. 6/22/12 7:48 AM by Abner D

Off topic, but relevant ...

With the needle pegged at zero on his credibility meter, JL goes, all in ...

"In my years of participating in news conferences and watching them on television, I’ve never seen the kind of total disrespect that was shown Obama by reporter Neil Munro."

Reagan Iran-Contra Press Conference www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=I6vIyCkEX14

# 34. 6/22/12 7:49 AM by Earl
Thank you, Bob, for saying what's been on my mind for the past two days.

That woman, as nice as she may be, was simply not doing her job.

I wonder how many parents, like me, are thinking "I don't let my kids get away with crap like this at home - why is the school district letting them get away with it on the bus?"

What I really hate about this situation, though, is that we found out about it through a "viral video". Please.

Does this story, as disturbing as it may be, really deserve to be national news?

# 35. 6/22/12 7:52 AM by Matt - Rochester, NY
What a joke! I love the morons who blame this on liberals? What? You have to be either a moron or a Republican to believe that! This is due solely because of poor parenting!!!!! Anyone can look the part of a great parent when the cameras are rolling, like the father yesterday who seemed soooo distraught. Whatever---I see right through that. I had the fear of all that is holy from my father, who I knew would kick my ass back to the previous century. I wouldn't see the light of day. I wouldn't have a summer vacation. i would be sitting in the corner of a room for the next 3 months doing NOTHING! That kept me in line. So basically you want to stop this behavior--start being a parent, a parent who instills the fear of God in your kids, yet loves them just the same. This lady didn't do her job, she never had a chance. Like a lamb to the slaughter. Like the teachers in the RCSD. They have become wardens, not teachers. They have taken on the role of crowd control, not of educators. Same is happening in Greece as the city students overflow into the suburban holy land.

# 36. 6/22/12 8:03 AM by rjs - Rochester
Gee, poor Mrs, Klien. What happened to her was nothing compared to what city school teachers go through every day. Not only verbal abuse but in some case physical abuse. And nobody does nothing about it. These kids need a good butt kicking. The one good thing is that this story got the story about the poor dog shot by the cops off the front pages.

# 37. 6/22/12 8:04 AM by Bill - Fairport
The sad part about this for our society is that the boys who perpetrated this act are the exact profile of those most likely to grow up and join the military or become a cop.

Editor's Note: eff you, liar.

# 38. 6/22/12 8:04 AM
I wonder if the bus monitor had any real authority to do anything.

# 39. 6/22/12 8:08 AM by Butthead Boob - Rochester
So you have to write in the article that the bus monitor might not be able to lifty 40lbs....What's the real issue here Boob? The issue is to suspend those kids who did a horrible thing, not to get your rocks off by also ripping on the poor lady...........get a life!! So what if she can't lift 40lbs. You probabyl can't either...... I say you are a punk also for stooping to their level if criticism. people call you a good journalist, what the heck are those people smokin'? Why don't you move back to Utah.......

# 40. 6/22/12 8:09 AM
My bet is that neither the kids nor their parents go to church - any church. But I could be wrong. It's hard to tell the hypocrites without a program.

# 41. 6/22/12 8:13 AM by Sue - Rochester,NY
What bothered me the most about the video is the total lack of respect those boys had for an adult. They knew that they were being taped but that did mean anything to them.You couldn't help but feel sorry for Karen Klein because she looked so helpless.The video brought to mind "Lord of the Flies" and one could feel the violence seething in those boys.

# 42. 6/22/12 8:21 AM by Barney Fife - Mayberry, RFD
Prizewinning statement at yesterday's news conference: We in Greece are proud of our community, our students, our leaders, and our schools.

That's why the ex-police chief AND his son went to jail.

You really can't blame Merritt Rahn for going to jail. It was either that or get whacked by the organized crime folk he was in cahoots with. He even lost track of his gun for crying out loud. Wonder how many crimes it was used in before and after he lost track of it. Maybe he was blackmailed into going to jail.

# 43. 6/22/12 8:22 AM by Sue - Webster, NY
Great points Bob....the schools need to look this job over and reevaluate for sure.

I heard people around town yesterday, most are thrilled with what is going on with the money Karen is getting and others took the liberal view. "She shouldn't be getting any of this money for crying" "Enough money already" etc.

If people want to give her money, that is THEIR choice DIMWITS, you have no say it what people want to do with THEIR own money. You are the same people that think Bloomberg taking away 20oz drinks is so wonderful.

A statement by the people is being made by giving this money, we are disturbed over the actions of these punks. With the amount of money that is in the pot now and still growing, it is clearly not about the money at this point! It is about letting the school system know these pigs need to be punished.

I am praying for parents to wake up and wonder if their kids act like this when they are not around. If you pose that question to yourself and don't know the answer, it is time to spend some time with your children.

And by the way, open up the bible.....you will find no better guidelines for life!

# 44. 6/22/12 8:23 AM by John Onderdonk - VA Beach
My Grandma use to drive school buses, any time the kids would act up she would pull over the bus, park it and tell the children she had all the time in the world and that she didn't care when they got to school. She was questioned about her actions and she said didn't feel that driving was safe at that time with their behavior. I imagine something like that or throwing the kids off of the bus would have worked just fine let them walk the rest of the way to school. Or just have the bus driver act like he doesn't see them at the stop in the morning. Parent's might not like that one, but then they shouldn't have raised such punks. I don't think you need the school involved so much as you need to take action yourself and show that there are things you will not stand for. It really is sad that she felt so helpless and didn't take action.

# 45. 6/22/12 8:25 AM by Fly
Antonio Perez was only offered $146 million so far for his "billion dollar patent portfolio".

Wanna buy some prime swampland or maybe the Brooklyn Bridge?

# 46. 6/22/12 8:26 AM by Ron - 716
Public humiliation of these children and/or their parents might get them to see the error of their ways.

My idea:

Start the next school year with a school-wide assembly promoted as an award ceremony. Invite these children and their parents. Do not tell them what the award is.

Start with a slide-show of embarrassing family photos, some of which might be collected from facebook. These miscreants have accounts and probably have pictures on them that they'd prefer others not see, possibly of their grandparents.

Maybe collect unkind comments from student #3 about student #1's grandfather.

Then the principal hands out the first ANNUAL Fifth Place Trophies for School Shame.

The trophy symbolizes the shame that these students have brought onto the Greece School District. The fifth place status is to let them know that this award isn't all that good.

Maybe they get special lockers, near a dumpster.

Okay, we can't put them in stocks outside the school after classes each day for a week.

# 47. 6/22/12 8:31 AM by Sara
It seems as though nothing good happens in Greece.

# 48. 6/22/12 8:35 AM by Hands Tied
Before a student is suspended for more than five days, he has a right to a fair hearing that includes the right to cross-examine witnesses against him.

In cases of student discipline, the sanction imposed must be proportionate to the severity of the offense involved.

Since the bus monitor was not physically harmed what should the penalty be for verbal abuse?

Editor's Note: their old man ought to beat the living hell out of them.

# 49. 6/22/12 8:38 AM
A GODLESS FAMILY COURT IS THEIR "SURROGATE" PARENT. "BECAUSE";;;THEY ARE "IN CUSTODY" OF A PERMISSIVELY NEGLIGENT PARENT. OR ARE THEY IN THE "SOUL CUSTODY" OF AN OVERLY INDULGENT PARENT? INCREASE THE SCREWS ON THE GUILTY NON CUSTODIAL PARENT OF DISCIPLINE. THE ONE THE COURTS GO AFTER TO "PAY" EXORBITANT "IMPUTED" AMOUNTS TO LET THEM RUN WILD. THE KIDS AND THE FREE CHOICE PARENT. ABORTION OF MORALITY IS NOT AN OPTION...

# 50. 6/22/12 8:38 AM by Dave Harris - Centerville UT
Justice delayed is justice denied.

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